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NEW BLOG IDEA = Need to Track Trump News in a systematic and searchable manner.
The onslaught of hideous news coming out of the Trump Administration is already starting and will turn into an unmanageable deluge before long.
I believe "we" need some sort of new blog, specifically dedicated to documenting, tracking and cataloging these stories, from authoritative sources.
Comments would include fact checking and follow up, discussion and such.
I think the SkepticalScience websites offers sort of a template for how to set up something like that.
Does anyone agree?
I'm big on climbing on my soap boxes, but don't have the savvy or IT know how needed to be successful at it.
(to think '93 I was cutting edge Mac guy, learned all the Adobe Programs - not much good anymore.)
DC, you've got a good looking new blog started and you've even got your "Short Takes" but I'm talking about that tries to keep up to date and becomes a public archive for easy access to important information. Oh and there's no doubt this sort of site would need a number of volunteers since it would require lots of regular homework.
Any Thoughts?
I believe "we" need some sort of new blog, specifically dedicated to documenting, tracking and cataloging these stories, from authoritative sources.
Comments would include fact checking and follow up, discussion and such.
I think the SkepticalScience websites offers sort of a template for how to set up something like that.
Does anyone agree?
I'm big on climbing on my soap boxes, but don't have the savvy or IT know how needed to be successful at it.
(to think '93 I was cutting edge Mac guy, learned all the Adobe Programs - not much good anymore.)
DC, you've got a good looking new blog started and you've even got your "Short Takes" but I'm talking about that tries to keep up to date and becomes a public archive for easy access to important information. Oh and there's no doubt this sort of site would need a number of volunteers since it would require lots of regular homework.
Any Thoughts?
Trump to scrap Nasa climate research in crackdown on ‘politicized science’
Nasa’s Earth science division is set to be stripped of funding as the president-elect seeks to shift focus away from home in favor of deep space exploration
Oliver Milman in New York
Wednesday 23 November 2016
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/nov/22/nasa-earth-donald-trump-eliminate-climate-change-research
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Documenting the Donald Trump War on Science: Pre-Inauguration edition
The blog post has already been updated a couple of times since first getting published on Nov. 11.
Monitoring the Impact of the Trump Presidency on Science
Baerbel,
Thank you I saw that and, ....
Okay that was interesting, encouraging and cool enough for me to repost it. However, it's still just a list.
I'm thinking developing a blog like a study project.
Categorized, Cataloged news stories for organized access.
Fact checked and discussed in a way that enables others easy searchable access.
Followed up, in order to track how these stories and events develop, including consequences.
Thus enabling those building blocks to be used by others, individually and in collective efforts.
Be fun if John Mashey could be enticed to offer some of his organizational know how.
Thank you, I'm going to have to spend some time over there.
Although, this is another site I'm not familiar with and must admit I was a bit shocked to find a number of recent Judith Curry articles under http://sciencedebate.org "NEWS" so I'm curious if anyone else knows whats up over there?
Still looking for a research focused framework to track the wide variety of Trump's coming rapid fire attacks on science, public lands and environmental safeguards.
Anyone out there good with bullet lists and categorizing?
What would the structure for something like that look like?
Then there are all the other aspects.
Hope for an awakening and an engagement by the masses ?
Anyone care to offer a category break down?
NASA is obviously going to survive, with a large part of its capability intact. As one of its people said, they have to do work with satellites anyway and climate basically comes along for the ride. Universities will survive. Reaserch will still be going on around the world, and business (even in the US ) will still be making the case that climate change is real and bad for business, and the US military will still be making the case that climate change is real and a threat to national security.
Yes, Trump and his friends are going to have some detrimental effects on science, but my guess is that they won't be able to be as bad as they would like to be. The world, and even a majority the US electorate, has moved on past the point where climate science denial is plausible.
So while I am a bit worried about the effect troglodytes will have on US science, if I was actually living in the US I'd be more concerned about the other damage they could (and most likely will) do to your society, because that includes things that could be much harder to repair once Trump's term is over.
Anyway, you may find this useful: https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2016/nov/28/danny-lyon-burn-zone-photographer-climate-change
Thanks for that thoughtful feedback. On the one hand, I have to agree with what you are saying. Civil Rights and police brutality, totally breakdown in cross class communication and citizens starting to shoot at each other in an organized fashion are where these insane alt-righters want to take this country, and I fear they may have more luck at it than not. Not to overlook, Public lands will be going on the auction block, etc, etc. (ps. http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2016/11/profiles-in-treason-citizens-united.html) so in that regard, protecting and defending science may not be the highest priority,
however that's no reason to abandon science and assume all will be fine. Tracking and having a data base of objective information (again I see the SkS model dancing in my head) available for anyone on the internet to use.
I will look at your link with interest when I get home tonight.
Sou am I crazy on this? Have any thoughts about the concept and it's ultimate usefulness, should it be put together and maintained?
I know there are hundreds of important issues many more immediately touching people, but I for one get lost in that realm. Too many sides all based on individual believes. That's one reason I love the Earth so much, it's honest and straightforward, there is understanding and learning and better understanding of her fundamental truths that simply are. If one gets it wrong, it's because one hasn't looked close enough or learned quite enough yet. That I can stand up and defend.
http://scienceblogs.com/confessions/2016/11/11/documenting-the-donald-trump-war-on-science-pre-inauguration-edition/
It is probably a good idea to limit oneself to a very small topic, not to be overwhelmed and then stopping or not beginning. Instead try to set up a system where multiple people can work on their topic to get a more complete picture and do so in a common way to make it accessible and more visible to the public.
I agree with Contrail Chook that science will be harder to dismantle than Trump and the the Banana Republicans think, particularly if they are going to fully fund the military which uses lots of this infrastructure. Also that, since this is true, while not insignificant, it will be the least of our worries. The damage that could be done to our society, even in the next two to four years, is immeasurable.
Sou's is not a political blog however, so I'm hesitant to rail against the darkness here.
Citizenscallenge, I agree it is vital to keep making noise and to track the coming horrors in real time, and to engage as many people as possible.
agreed
One reason to rouse as many people as soon as possible.
Also I agree this isn't a "political" but are life is dominated by politics, so it will leak into here.
Complacency is exactly what got us into this coming horror show.
Remember the HARPER HORROR SHOW
There's a lot of non military applicable science supporting land and water protection, justifying public lands, etc. Besides what I'm talking about is creating a data base that develops in real time so that we can later assess with some accuracy exactly what has been done, along with recording consequences.
and so on and so forth . . .
Time and tide wait for no one. In a few months everyone's going to be scrambling so much, it'll be hard for anything to gain tractions. Lordie knows the Republican aren't waiting one minute getting their opening salvo ready, while most leftie types don't even realize what's coming. And those that do, continue hoping for the best.
Okay so I'm a pessimist, unfortunately when I look back over decades now my fears have proven way more accurate that everyone else's complacent security and disconnect from the seriousness of what these neocons and Alt-righters and white religious fanatics want the world to turn into, not to mention what they want to do to rationalists.
Will we never learn. :- (
{this has been sitting here un-posted for weeks now - my intro deleted since it's out of date.
Still then articles I was going to share is worth posting.}
Yeah, that's looking petty close. There's still the organizational and accessibly question, specially as time goes on, but the foundation is there of consistently capturing the stories as they are being produced. I'll be checking it out regularly.
Thanks for sharing that.