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        <title>If giving up is not an option, get up and do something - by citizenschallenge</title>
        <link>http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/discussion/311/if-giving-up-is-not-an-option-get-up-and-do-something-by-citizenschallenge</link>
        <pubDate>Fri, 11 Aug 2017 21:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>citizenschallenge</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<div><br />The past half year has been quite a period of changes and&nbsp;reflection for me. &nbsp;One&nbsp;inescapable seems to be that rolling over and wrapping myself up in my own lucky&nbsp;circumstances and&nbsp;writing off the rest of the world simply isn't an option. &nbsp;I am&nbsp;and will continue to be an engaged member of our global community&nbsp;during my time, it is there and I can't hide from it. &nbsp;<i>Hope is a survival strategy in hopeless times. &nbsp;</i><br /><br />So now&nbsp;despite the feeling I'm little more than the&nbsp;sound of one hand clapping, I think I'm&nbsp;going to try and step it up - even try to go for some source funding so that I can finally focus full time on writing rather than&nbsp;this scattered&nbsp;interruption infested effort I live. &nbsp;I'm what I say I am and two, three thousand a month would buy me that freedom. &nbsp;Often it seems an impossible dream, other times I realize it doesn't matter, gotta try,&nbsp;take it one day at a time. &nbsp;What's the worst that can happen? &nbsp;More silence? &nbsp;Or perhaps the time to&nbsp;finally be able to really focus and perhaps really accomplish something&nbsp;I can be proud of.<br /><br />Critique (and/or donations) welcome:<br /><br />Peter Miesler<br />aka citizenschallenge<br />PO Box 56<br />Durango, Colorado 81302<br />( citizenschallenge at gmail )<br />_____________________________________________________________________________<br /><br />That little&nbsp;outburst was inspired&nbsp;by a&nbsp;short comment I just posted at<br />&nbsp;<a rel="nofollow" href="http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2017/08/diary-081117-cfi-contrarians-mo.html">http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2017/08/diary-081117-cfi-contrarians-mo.html</a><br /><h3>Diary 8/11/2017 - Center for Inquiry Forum, Cracking the Contrarians' Code.</h3>It starts:<br /><br /><div>"... lately mostly confined to commenting over at the&nbsp;<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.centerforinquiry.net/forums/viewforum/31/">Center for Inquiry forum</a>.&nbsp;&nbsp;Recently conversations have gotten a bit livelier and occasionally even constructive since a few more people are getting involved.&nbsp; &nbsp;</div><div><br /></div><div>Check it out sometime. &nbsp;Faith based vs Fact based.&nbsp; Climate skeptical challenges add some spice, civility and feigned civility, facts and fiction, devious rhetoric and touche's, sometimes genuine learning, insults and ruffled feathers, usually for effect, occasionally heart felt,&nbsp;<i>sturm und drang</i>&nbsp;and all that fun stuff.</div><div><br /></div><div>Still, at the end of the day we’re left with the same challenge that started long ago with the first strategic attacks on the scientific understanding of tobacco smoke dangers - though at the time no one realized it, too many still don’t.&nbsp;&nbsp;<i>( For those details see:</i><i>&nbsp;<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.merchantsofdoubt.org/">http://www.merchantsofdoubt.org</a>.&nbsp;&nbsp;It's all been documented, though contrarians prefer to dismiss the book as meaningless ad hominem attacks {on their right to lie I presume}, all the while ignoring all&nbsp;evidence&nbsp;presented.)</i></div><div><br /></div><div>The challenge is: How to engage in a constructive intellectual dialogue with characters who are dedicated to disparaging and dismissing serious science with what ever words and tactics are required at the moment, merely because it’s what their jobs depend on?</div><div><br /></div><div><b>Good faith learning holds no interest.&nbsp; Sowing doubt and confusion is the goal and it’s such an easy thing to achieve if one possesses no scruples and limitless chutzpah.</b></div><div><b><br /><br /></b></div>It finishes with<br /><br /><blockquote><div>... Unfortunately they are pros at these rhetorical devices, so though they are incapable of defending with substance - they constantly win the public argument game. &nbsp;<b>Too few serious rational folks are willing to put up with the grief of confronting their venomous onslaughts.</b>&nbsp;&nbsp;<br /><br />Our only hope is in more people understanding the oligarch's game and the modus operandi of their minions. &nbsp;<b>Stop ignoring the trolls, use real facts to expose them, reduce them to running away - you'd be amazed at how easy it is -&nbsp;<i>once you crack the code of their malicious farce.</i></b>&nbsp;<br /><br />If you want to learn more about it, I have a sloppy draft&nbsp;(yet to be completed project)&nbsp;of this lay-person's lesson plan that may be of use.&nbsp;<br /><b>Then to be willing to stand up to them every time they comment, who knows what could change within a society facing ever increasing pain and challenges, if more informed citizens actually got involved and made their reasoned voices heard.</b></div></blockquote><blockquote><div><b>LandscapesAndCycles</b>&nbsp;</div></blockquote><blockquote><div>In a nutshell Jim Steele proposes that landscapes and natural cycles are more powerful drivers of global warming driven climate change than the atmosphere that lies between Earth and frigid outer space.&nbsp;</div></blockquote><blockquote><div><a rel="nofollow" href="http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/p/landscapesandcycles.html" title="Link: http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/p/landscapesandcycles.html">http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/p/landscapesandcycles.html</a></div></blockquote><blockquote><div><b>. 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        <title>Let my charm offensive continue.  ;-)</title>
        <link>http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/discussion/208/let-my-charm-offensive-continue</link>
        <pubDate>Thu, 26 Jan 2017 09:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>citizenschallenge</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<br />I had this titled "Why not treat Republican's as the intellectual infantiles they are?" but figured I'd better ease into this.<br /><br />When I think of the unbelievable nonsense Republicans can embrace:<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;from believing limitless growth can and should continue,<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;to believing that dropping more bombs will solve the problems dropping bombs created in the first place,<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;to pretend our actions don't impact Earth's biosphere and life support system,<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;to hold our biosphere in contempt and view it as a commodity only good for the plundering,<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;to thinking Earth observations can be blatantly ignored, if they stand in the way of profits,<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;to remain blind to the destruction two hundred years of avarice has inflicted on this Earth, its biosphere, its varied life forms,<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;to insisting that faith trumps objective verifiable facts,<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;to mistake their over-bloated egos for God.<br /><br />So why shouldn't we confront them on those terms?<br />I'm not just talking to piss people off, I'm talking about forcing them to question some of their base assumptions.<br /><br />Like trying to deal with malicious little punks and speaking to them accordingly. &nbsp;Challenge them with something they can respect.<br />Lordie know (the collective) we've failed up to now.<br />...........................................................................................<br /><br /><i>For me it's been a hell of a few months, still can't wrap my head around Democrats repeated failures, and failure to win the minds or hearts of people. &nbsp;No&nbsp;one ever seemed to take any of it seriously enough - at least no one on any level or scale to make a difference. &nbsp;Ever since Reagan and the Jesus Freaks, nothing but backsliding. &nbsp;Everyone was too busy with consumerism or dreaming of it to care. &nbsp;I look back on ten years of writing and got tons of stuff that&nbsp;could fall under told-you-so's. But I know what I've done has never amounted to more than basket weaving. Keep waiting for 'that' email, nothing. &nbsp;Wouldn't feel so bad, if not that so&nbsp;much I read out there never adds a thing. &nbsp;Buy 'em books and buy 'em books and all they do is eat the covers. &nbsp;I go from rallying, back down to ultimate despair and sense of failure and worse the utter hopelessness, why give a fuk, no one else seems to, at least not at the level I do. &nbsp;Not to mention life's nonstop interruptions reminding me I'm just supposed to be a wage slave, busy with busy,&nbsp;who am I kidding trying to write and force&nbsp;some of&nbsp;these issues/thoughts into the mix. &nbsp;But,&nbsp;then I hit&nbsp;bottom, well fuk, how long ya going lay on the floor.<br />It seems I can't do it, like the punch drunk kid who keeps getting back up. &nbsp;This is important and it matters and it's so tragically simple. Excuse me, it's 2:30 am and I felt&nbsp;like rambling. &nbsp;Sou, thanks for providing this space, it&nbsp;would be nice if over the next year it attracted&nbsp;some&nbsp;energized folks.&nbsp;</i><br />]]>
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        <title>Scott Adams of Dilbert had a climate "sceptic" rant, my reply</title>
        <link>http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/discussion/174/scott-adams-of-dilbert-had-a-climate-sceptic-rant-my-reply</link>
        <pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2016 02:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>VictorVenema</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<h3>Scott Adams: The Non-Expert Problem and Climate Change Science</h3><a href="http://variable-variability.blogspot.de/2016/12/scott-adams-non-expert-problem-climate-change.html" rel="nofollow">http://variable-variability.blogspot.de/2016/12/scott-adams-non-expert-problem-climate-change.html</a><br /><br /><br />]]>
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        <title>Debating GOP Disconnect From Climate Science (and Earth Appreciation)</title>
        <link>http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/discussion/197/debating-gop-disconnect-from-climate-science-and-earth-appreciation</link>
        <pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2017 01:08:24 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>citizenschallenge</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[Those of you familiar with me know that I've produced a number of "Virtual Debates" in that I take things people have said (lecturers) or written stuff and dissect it to the best of my abilities. &nbsp;Been doing it a while 2010 and the Lord being my first.&nbsp;<blockquote><b>AN UNAUTHORIZED SORTING OF LORD CHRIS MONCKTON’S (9/14/2009) POWER POINT PRESENTATION</b><br /><a rel="nofollow" href="http://citizenschallenge.blogspot.com/2010/08/unauthorized-sorting-of-lord-chris.html" title="Link: http://citizenschallenge.blogspot.com/2010/08/unauthorized-sorting-of-lord-chris.html">http://citizenschallenge.blogspot.com/2010/08/unauthorized-sorting-of-lord-chris.html&nbsp;</a></blockquote>It was followed by an 11+ installment reviewing Monckton's&nbsp;Minnesota Free Market Institute&nbsp;presentation, Autumn 2010. &nbsp;Having minimal grammar/writing schooling, it's a bit rough no doubt. &nbsp;I&nbsp;like to think I've been improving&nbsp;with time, but who knows. &nbsp;In any event, I've got me another Debate Series going, not a virtual one either. &nbsp;It started with a bright college kid commenting on a recent post where I was tearing into&nbsp;Republicans. &nbsp;It was fairly well written and smooth, so I produced a couple stand alone posts built on critiqing a couple of his comments. &nbsp;I left&nbsp;my usual invitation for him to write a thoughtful guest post responding to my critique, and damned if I didn't receive an email, 22 point monster, nearly 4000 words, though a&nbsp;bunch of that was quoting me. &nbsp;Well written&nbsp;and polite. &nbsp;His point simply reinforced the misguided notions I'd already&nbsp;jumped on. &nbsp;In other words, he provided me an excellent vehicle for&nbsp;trying to enunciate my specific complains and observations.<br /><br />Poor guy used his real name in his first comments without realizing who's arena he was stepping into. &nbsp;In his email he voiced a concern about his original comments with his name - he's a student he don't need no hassles,&nbsp;just trying to&nbsp;get his degree. &nbsp;(I did not use his name in my posts). I tried eliminating his original comments as per his request. &nbsp;Unfortunately, his comments&nbsp;got deleted, but the name and time of original posting remains. &nbsp;Our exchange helped build a little mutual trust and&nbsp;humanity between. &nbsp;He's a college&nbsp;student and back to his studies and a bit surprised at what he walked into and won't&nbsp;be continuing the dialogue, which is fine. &nbsp;I'm still working through his "punch list" and I'm sure we'll continue a little bit of off the wire correspondence. &nbsp;It's nice to meet someone who can take critique like a balanced adult. &nbsp;<br /><br />I&nbsp;bring all this up because I like to think this series is more explanatory and less hostile that say my Jim Steele Debates where I'm dealing with a&nbsp;malicious transparent destructive fraud. &nbsp;Here I believe I'm dealing&nbsp;with late 20s smart guy who's only been exposed to one side of the story. &nbsp;It feels nicer, like we're actually trying to have an intellectual exchange, rather than a mud fight. &nbsp;At least that's how I'd like to imagine it. &nbsp;If anyone is interested. &nbsp;If anyone wanted to offer any sort of feedback, it would be welcome.<br /><br />
<blockquote><b><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/search?Search=%23A&amp;Mode=like">#A</a> - Considering the Republican Disconnect From Planet Earth. (Where EM's debate started.)<br /></b><a rel="nofollow" href="http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2017/01/a-republican-disconnect-from-planet.html" title="Link: http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2017/01/a-republican-disconnect-from-planet.html">http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2017/01/a-republican-disconnect-from-planet.html<br /></a><b><br /><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/search?Search=%233&amp;Mode=like">#3</a> EM has his say. Debating the Republican Disconnect from Earth's realities.<br /></b><a rel="nofollow" href="http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2017/01/3em-his-say-debating-gop-disconnect.html" title="Link: http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2017/01/3em-his-say-debating-gop-disconnect.html">http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2017/01/3em-his-say-debating-gop-disconnect.html<br /></a><b><br /><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/search?Search=%234&amp;Mode=like">#4</a>. Debating Republican Disconnect From - Climate Science History<br /></b><b><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/search?Search=%235&amp;Mode=like">#5</a>. Debating Republican Disconnect From Climate Science - Model Uncertainty<br /></b><b><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/search?Search=%236&amp;Mode=like">#6</a> Debating Republican Disconnect From Climate Science - Model substance + contrarian scientists<br /></b><b><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/search?Search=%237&amp;Mode=like">#7</a> EM Debate - How about, An Essay Concerning Our Weather?<br /></b><b><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/search?Search=%238&amp;Mode=like">#8</a> Debating GOP Disconnect From Climate Science - It’s The Economy Stupid!<br /></b><b><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/search?Search=%239&amp;Mode=like">#9</a> Debating GOP Disconnect From AGW - Astroturfing Repost, Scott Church<br /></b><b><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/search?Search=%2310&amp;Mode=like">#10</a> Debating GOP Disconnect From AGW - Who's doing the politicizing?<br /></b><b><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/search?Search=%2311&amp;Mode=like">#11</a> Debating GOP Disconnect From AGW - Difference of Opinion. Not Even!<br /></b><b><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/search?Search=%2312&amp;Mode=like">#12</a> Debating GOP Disconnect AGW - Science Economy Should Compromise. Say What?!</b></blockquote>











<div><b><br /></b></div>As for the "fake skeptic" tag, that would refer to the memes he's repeating. &nbsp; &nbsp; <img src="http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/plugins/EmojiExtender/emoji/little/smiley.png" title="=)" alt="=)" srcset="/chat/plugins/EmojiExtender/emoji/little/smiley@2x.png 2x" />]]>
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        <title>I'm Offended Sen. Jeff Sessions Mistakes His Own (over-bloated) Ego For GOD</title>
        <link>http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/discussion/209/im-offended-sen-jeff-sessions-mistakes-his-own-over-bloated-ego-for-god</link>
        <pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2017 22:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Blog articles</category>
        <dc:creator>citizenschallenge</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[Some day others will show up. &nbsp;Until then, let the struggle continue. &nbsp;Hope you don't mind me sharing what I hope is a provocative, yet thoughtful look at the matter that shall not be spoken - hiding behind god to drive an egomaniacal agenda.<br />~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br /><br /><a rel="nofollow" href="http://citizenschallenge.blogspot.com/2017/01/sessions-mistakes-ego-for-god.html" title="Link: http://citizenschallenge.blogspot.com/2017/01/sessions-mistakes-ego-for-god.html">http://citizenschallenge.blogspot.com/2017/01/sessions-mistakes-ego-for-god.html</a><br /><br /><div><div>This&nbsp;morning I was reminded of&nbsp;<a rel="nofollow" href="https://thinkprogress.org/sen-sessions-i-am-offended-by-views-of-climate-scientists-8776da4af37f#.y4586ilo5" title="Link: https://thinkprogress.org/sen-sessions-i-am-offended-by-views-of-climate-scientists-8776da4af37f#.y4586ilo5">Senator Sessions being “offended”</a>&nbsp;at being reminded of scientific facts. &nbsp;Given that Sessions is being considered for Attorney General of the USA we should&nbsp;reflect on the religion forced absolutism&nbsp;that enables his brand of blind rejection of observation-based scientific facts.&nbsp;</div><div><b><i></i></b><br /></div><div><b>Whereas Senator Sessions is offended when confronted with real down to Earth facts,&nbsp;I’m offended that Republicans have demolished the distinction between&nbsp;their own Personal Truths and Universal Truths.</b></div><div><br /></div><div>Compounding his base dishonesty Sessions relies on a single incomplete data set he’s knowingly misrepresenting.&nbsp;</div><div><br /></div><div>That's offensive - how dare Republicans believe it’s okay to wantonly disregard rock solid down to Earth understanding. &nbsp;I know, ...</div><div><br /></div><div>I’m offended that the Republican avarice driven agenda hides behind a mass delusion of doing God’s Will.</div><div><br /></div><div>Can we please get real - the God Almighty of Time and Creation, Life and Love!&nbsp; How many billions of years has she been around? &nbsp;</div><div><br /></div><div>Your Lord of the Bible, how many years has he been around, moving from one strife filled petty tribal generation to the next?&nbsp; Ever notice in the books of Job and Romans the Bible? &nbsp;They warn all who read it, God is beyond human understanding.&nbsp; But, who pays any attention?</div><div><br /></div><div>I’m offended evangelicals have taken Jesus’ Passion to twist and distort into an&nbsp;Exclusive Entrance Pass for their private club.</div><div><br /></div><div>The Secret of the Jesus’ Passion?</div><div><br /></div><div>Jesus’ Passion is a guide and support for us as we individually traverse our own lives.&nbsp; Jesus is there in spirit to help each who reaches for him to help guide in times of trials and tribulations.&nbsp; He’s about helping those who’ve reached their reckoning,&nbsp;when sins and failings have done their damage and there’s no place left to go.</div><div><br /></div><div>He offers strength to stand trial, to be justly convicted, …</div><div>to face it, own it, to absorb our own sins.&nbsp;</div><div>To finally understand it from the outside looking in.&nbsp;</div><div><br /></div><div>Shattering our egos. &nbsp;</div><div>Dying on the cross of our own making.</div><div><br /></div><div>The Glorious News is that once you’ve done it,&nbsp;</div><div>the promised rebirth happens, and you awaken a new person.</div><div><br /></div><div>Your history is still yours,&nbsp;but your direction, attitude and understanding is deeper.&nbsp; You find yourself with tools to handle the day to day you never imagined were in you.&nbsp; You finally appreciate your’s is a universal struggle, just as with your parents and their parents and all others.</div><div><br /></div><div><i>Jesus is,</i></div><div><i>not about brainwashing or absolutism, or self-delusion,</i></div><div><i>not about driving an&nbsp;agenda and gaining power,</i></div><div><i>not a bludgeon of judgement,</i></div><div><i>no end of the world,&nbsp;</i></div><div><i>no heaven or hell.</i></div><div></div><div><i>Just a guiding support for those who choose to believe.</i></div><div><br /></div><div>Jesus certainly isn’t ruler of our eternal physical universe, nor our mother planet, Earth.</div><div><br /></div><div><b>Jesus is a divine being of our own global societal mind,</b></div><div><b>it’s a beautiful thing, but that’s as far as his reach goes.</b></div><div><br /></div><div>Not a&nbsp;<b>Universal Truth</b>, Jesus and the Abrahamic Faiths are&nbsp;<b>Personal Truths</b>, nothing more.&nbsp; Science, that’s a human tool for understanding the physical world we were born out of and will die back into.&nbsp; It’s a tool for keeping humans honest* in a way religions are incapable of.</div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div></div><div><i>PS. We need each other to keep ourselves honest.</i></div><div><i><br /><br /></i></div><div><br /><div><b>Global warming has not stopped by Ari Jokimäki&nbsp;</b></div><div><a rel="nofollow" href="https://agwobserver.wordpress.com/2013/08/19/global-warming-has-not-stopped/">https://agwobserver.wordpress.com/2013/08/19/global-warming-has-not-stopped/</a></div><div><br /></div><div>SCIENCE | TEMPERATURE | January 15. 2013</div><div><a rel="nofollow" href="https://www.carbonbrief.org/all-the-reasons-why-global-warming-hasnt-stopped">https://www.carbonbrief.org/all-the-reasons-why-global-warming-hasnt-stopped</a></div><div><br /></div><div><b>No Pause in Global Warming | By Brian Kahn, Climate Central on June 4, 2015</b></div><div><a rel="nofollow" href="https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/no-pause-in-global-warming/">https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/no-pause-in-global-warming/</a></div><div><br /></div><div><a rel="nofollow" href="https://www.climatecouncil.org.au/pause-in-warming-debunked">https://www.climatecouncil.org.au/pause-in-warming-debunked</a></div><div><br /></div><div><b>Why It Matters That Trump’s Attorney General Pick Is a Climate Change Skeptic</b></div><div>GRENNAN MILLIKEN |&nbsp; November 18, 2016</div><div><a rel="nofollow" href="http://motherboard.vice.com/read/why-it-matters-that-trumps-attorney-general-pick-is-a-climate-change-skeptic">http://motherboard.vice.com/read/why-it-matters-that-trumps-attorney-general-pick-is-a-climate-change-skeptic</a></div><div><br /></div><div>Why we know CO2 science is settled.</div><div></div><div><a rel="nofollow" href="http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2016/12/co2-science-just-facts.html">http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2016/12/co2-science-just-facts.html</a></div></div><div></div></div><div></div>]]>
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        <title>What's Up With Republican disconnect from planet Earth? - A Debate</title>
        <link>http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/discussion/192/whats-up-with-republican-disconnect-from-planet-earth-a-debate</link>
        <pubDate>Thu, 05 Jan 2017 07:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
        <category>Blog articles</category>
        <dc:creator>citizenschallenge</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Christmas Eve I posted an essay:</p><p><b>What's Up With Republican disconnect from planet Earth?</b></p><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2016/12/republican-disconnect-from-planet-earth.html" title="Link: http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2016/12/republican-disconnect-from-planet-earth.html">http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2016/12/republican-disconnect-from-planet-earth.html</a></p><p>It received an interesting comment that I decided to turn into a couple stand alone posts. &nbsp;</p><p>In one I repeated my standard invitation of a guest post, if he could rationally explain himself.&nbsp; Well EM took me up on my invitation and sent me an organized 4,000 word response, although a chunk of that is quoting me.&nbsp; It was thoughtful and polite and I posted his comment complete and unadulterated with any commentary, except for a short introduction.&nbsp;</p><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/search?Search=%233&amp;Mode=like">#3</a> E.M. has his say. Debating the Republican Disconnect from Earth's realities.</p><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2017/01/3em-his-say-debating-gop-disconnect.html" title="Link: http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2017/01/3em-his-say-debating-gop-disconnect.html">http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2017/01/3em-his-say-debating-gop-disconnect.html</a></p><p>I've responded with.</p><p><b><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/search?Search=%234&amp;Mode=like">#4</a> Debating Republican Disconnect From - Climate Science History</b></p><p><b><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/search?Search=%235&amp;Mode=like">#5</a> Debating Republican Disconnect From Climate Science - Model Uncertainty</b></p><p><b>















</b></p><p><b><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/search?Search=%236&amp;Mode=like">#6</a> Debating Republican Disconnect From Climate Science - Model substance + contrarian scientists</b></p><p><i>(Seitz, Singer,&nbsp;Lindzen, Spencer, Christy)</i></p><p>and more to come. &nbsp;I keep trying to refine my writing, I like to think I'm bringing up some important ideas, but that's for others to figure out.</p><p>....... the sad part is that the circle of potential&nbsp;<i>interesteds</i>&nbsp;seems frightfully tiny.<br /></p></blockquote>]]>
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        <pubDate>Fri, 13 Jan 2017 00:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>citizenschallenge</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[I just mentioned this in another post as a side thought, but I want to make it, it's own thread because it actually been bugging me for decades.<br /><br />Why is there still no blogs dedicated to tracking and tabulating extreme weather events? &nbsp;<br />Seems to me the thing would be getting tens of thousands of visits.<br />Might even produce some revenue if the group wanted.<br /><br /><a rel="nofollow" title="Link: null">HotMap</a>, <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.climatehotmap.org">http://www.climatehotmap.org</a>&nbsp;looks like someone's great idea that got set up, but 2011 is the last up date - and it was all about explaining the situation and I guess a site map. &nbsp;They started see <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.climatehotmap.org/global-warming-locations/lake-tanganyika-tanzania-africa.html" title="Link: http://www.climatehotmap.org/global-warming-locations/lake-tanganyika-tanzania-africa.html">http://www.climatehotmap.org/global-warming-locations/lake-tanganyika-tanzania-africa.html</a>&nbsp;but then it stopped.<br /><br />It's good, but it doesn't follow up, record and or tabulate actual events as they unfolded these past years, let alone decades. &nbsp;<br />Hotmap looks like it's a great template - something could be built around it fairly easily (seems to me).<br /><br />It boggles my mind that nothing like that exists.<br />If one does please let me know.<br /><i>and why are they so hard to find?</i><br /><br />]]>
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        <title>I'm continuing my charm offensive - re December 19th USA protests</title>
        <link>http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/discussion/181/im-continuing-my-charm-offensive-re-december-19th-usa-protests</link>
        <pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2016 12:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[<div><h3><i>Yes I know we're supposed to be concerned with climate science and communications issue and politics per se, still somethings need to be said while there's still a small window of opportunity for something substantive to happen, that would be other than just more arm waving and ...</i></h3><h3><br /></h3><h3>YO, December19.US Protesters, you forgot something.</h3><a rel="nofollow" href="http://citizenschallenge.blogspot.com/2016/12/yo-december19us-protesters-you-forgot.html">http://citizenschallenge.blogspot.com/2016/12/yo-december19us-protesters-you-forgot.html</a> <br /><br /><br />It seems to me there's a decided lack of clarity, resulting in aimless messaging. &nbsp;Why are you protesting? &nbsp;What are you protesting? &nbsp;What are your specific goals? &nbsp;If I could wave a magic wand and get someone that matters to listen, here would be my suggestions for issues that need to be&nbsp;explicitly focused on and&nbsp;enunciated. &nbsp;I'm no pro-writer so it ain't pretty, but than what I'm going for is the thoughtful, perhaps even&nbsp;provocative, let others pretty it up. &nbsp;Come on, this is for keeps, enough patty-cake - we must step it up, or we will get crushed!</div><div><br /></div><blockquote><div><b>What about demanding,&nbsp;</b><a rel="nofollow" href="https://ballotpedia.org/Merrick_Garland"><b>Merrick Garland</b></a><b>&nbsp;get his Supreme Court Vote&nbsp;</b><a rel="nofollow" href="http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2016/11/a-late-attempt-to-save-judge-garlands-nomination/"><b>January 3rd</b></a><b>?</b><br /><br />What about drawing attention to,Trump’s Russian obligations and him surrounding himself with “friends” of Russia?<br /><br />What about drawing attention to Trump’s myriad business entanglements with enemy nations?<br /><br />What about drawing attention to the fact that Trump’s win was hinged on a campaign of malicious wanton smears based on deliberately fabricated lies?&nbsp;&nbsp;(With&nbsp;<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/10/21/...russia.../92514592/">Russia doling out the PR</a>, through the&nbsp;<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37109970">Alter-reality</a>&nbsp;of&nbsp;<a rel="nofollow" href="http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/13/media/breitbart-stephen-bannon-donald-trump/">Bannon</a>&nbsp;and&nbsp;<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/12/steve-bannon-films-movies-documentaries-trump-hollywood-214495">Breitbart’s lie factory</a>).&nbsp;&nbsp;WHY HAS THAT BECOME ACCEPTABLE?<br /><b><br />What about demanding that this&nbsp;</b><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/russian-interference-could-give-courts-legal-authority_us_584be136e4b0151082221b9c"><b>election get nullified</b></a><b>&nbsp;if it turns out Putin played a decisive role in electing Trump his new obligate, the President of the Corporation of Amerika?&nbsp;</b><br /><br />What about spotlighting that self-interested&nbsp;<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.salon.com/2016/10/29/im-with-stupid-the-entire-2016-election-has-been-an-insult-to-our-intelligence/">Faith Based rejection of Objective Facts</a>&nbsp;and Constructive Learning is an obscenely self-destructive way to operate our government?<br /><br />What about demanding that “Evaluation of the Objective Facts trumps Personal Faith-Based decision-making” ?&nbsp; What about&nbsp;<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/10/06/truth-lies-and-conspiracy-in-the-2016-election/">ethics and honesty</a>?<br />How about asking the question:<b>&nbsp;Does American deserves a full time president, who's fully focused on leading his/her country - or a&nbsp;hobbyist?</b><br /><br />How about asking the question:&nbsp;<br /><b><br />"Do we want a Russian Obligate President?"&nbsp;&nbsp;<br /></b><b><br />“Are we the United State of America&nbsp;</b><b>or the Corporation of Amerika?”</b><br /><b><br />What about demanding, Merrick Garland get his Supreme Court Vote January 3rd?</b><br /><br />What about demanding, Merrick Garland get his Supreme Court Vote January 3rd?&nbsp;&nbsp;<b>What about demanding, Merrick Garland get his Supreme Court Vote January 3rd?&nbsp; Over and over again!&nbsp; In some way that is the single most important and doable thing.&nbsp; If we can’t pull off that,</b>&nbsp;…&nbsp;<i>I shutter at the thought.</i></div></blockquote><div><br /></div><div>I bring this us because yesterday I listened in on a December19.US protest organizing group-call with much hope and finished feeling crushed and hopeless again.&nbsp; I’m sorry for being the old grump, but it was like listening in on kids planning a picnic.&nbsp; It was fine so far a “organizing’ stuff, but when it came to outlining the&nbsp;<i>what and why</i>&nbsp;of the protests, I was expecting a concise list, but there was nothing, beyond some mumbling.</div><div><br /></div><div>Felt to me like the attitude was that, well we all know it all sucks and yeah, well you know, and bad people, want them to know, and ah, that’s why we need as many there as possible... &nbsp;KNOW WHAT?&nbsp;</div><div><br /></div><div>What is this protest suppose to accomplish?</div><div>Change anything?</div><div>Create community and solidarity?</div><div>Education someone (ourselves, opponents, on-lookers, leaders, who?)?</div><div>Demand Any Actions?</div><div><br /></div><div>None of that was addressed at the phone call, later I double checked their and other websites and there too, no genuine messaging.</div><div><br /></div><div>Just like Clinton’s prez campaign.&nbsp; Underestimating opponents.&nbsp; Thinking that going through the motions is enough.&nbsp; Inability to explain anything that matters to any one.&nbsp; Inability to confront the dirty tricks that this liberal white bread crowd so abhors.&nbsp;</div><a rel="nofollow"></a>It’s tragic how out of touch everyone seems to have become.<br /><div><br /></div><div>Now I’m back at looking at these protests as little more than exercises in venting and ‘feel good’. &nbsp;</div><div><br /></div><div>A protest needs a clear message and “I hate Trump” may be clear, but it doesn’t say a damned thing and it certainly doesn’t move anything forward. &nbsp;</div><div><br /></div><div>It doesn’t offer opponents, or bystanders, any explanation to help them understand what we are so upset about. &nbsp;It doesn't offer ourselves any better understanding of what we are up agains these next years.&nbsp;&nbsp;It makes no attempts to change any minds.&nbsp; Nor does it draw any lines in the sand.&nbsp; Nor does it lay out any set of expectations to help guide us forward.</div>]]>
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        <title>The Non-Expert Problem - Why We Can Be Sure.</title>
        <link>http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/discussion/175/the-non-expert-problem-why-we-can-be-sure</link>
        <pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2016 19:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[That discussion over there at Dilbert's blog got under my skin and I figured it was time to repost my list of CO2 dependent modern marvels. &nbsp;For the list itself you'll have to link to the blog post. &nbsp;<br /><br /><blockquote><b>A List of CO2 Science Dependent Modern Marvels proving climate scientists know what they are talking about.</b><br />
<br />&nbsp;Recently I got sucked back into my real passion, defending serious climate science against the cynical malicious lie dependent attacks it's been under for decades.  It was an odd exposition by Dilbert's Scott Adams aptly titled, "The Non-Expert Problem and Climate Change Science."  Although rather than discussing the silliness of under-informed non-experts thinking they are smarter than real experts, Adams launches into a truly delusional attack on the validity of serious scientists and their work.  It wasn't a great surprise to find that Adams seems to be a Trump supporter, thus it explains his easy disconnect from objective evidence and facts when they doesn't suit his paranoid outlook.<br />
<br />&nbsp;Besides writing my own review, "Profiles in Self-delusion - Dilbert's Scott Adams," I also participated in the discussion over there and was again amazed at how many people can in total seriousness claim that there's no valid evidence that CO2 causes our current global warming.

As one of the climate science non-experts, (although with pretty near 50 years of interest and active learning under my belt, I like to think I understand it better than your average bear), how do I know that I haven't been lied to for the past fifty years?<br /> <br />&nbsp;How do I, a man who is incapable of comprehending their formulas or the details of their climate models, be so certain that what they are telling me is true?

Well it comes down to acknowledging reality.<br /> <br />&nbsp;On two levels, for one, having listened to many, many scientists giving talks about their work, <b>I know that they are full-spectrum skeptics.  They put themselves under as sharp a microscope as they do others.  It is a huge active community of intelligent competing individuals always checking and cross checking each others work.  It is the best humans are capable of, sure beats basing your beliefs on Faith and then bending all facts to fit your personal beliefs.</b><br />
<br />&nbsp;<b>The second level is the physical reality of being able to master one's numbers and understanding to practical purposes.</b>  I believe it is tragic how many citizens don't have the first clue that our precise CO2 science was acquired by Air Force scientists, working independently from many countries, foremost USA, Australia, Russia and others.  Everyone came up with the same results - that ought to tell a skeptic something!<br />
<br /><b>&nbsp;Of course, there is also the physical reality of what we are observing throughout our planet.</b><br />
<br />&nbsp;Even more telling is that fundamental understanding out of which all other Climate Science flows, has been transformed into an incredible number of modern marvels that would be utterly impossible if the scientists were bluffing it.<br />  <br />Here, let me show you with a reprint of something I put together a while back.<br />

<i><br /></i><i>This post is an interesting sort of one way collaborative effort.  
You see, over the years I've communicated with a number of scientists and grads.  
Asking straight forward questions and often receiving informative replies.  I try not to over do my welcome, after all these are very busy people with more important things to do.<br />
</i><br /><i>&nbsp;But for this post I sent out a grand shout to a number of my correspondence pals and received more responses than I expected including some informative surprises for me. 

I have taken great liberty slicing and dicing their responses. Rewriting some, leaving other quotes untouched and giving all of it some order.<br />
</i><i>&nbsp;<br /></i><i>I mention this because I want to be clear the following List of "CO2 science dependent" modern marvels is not my own cleverness and I want to send out a big Thank You! to my informed anonymous heroes!<br /> </i><br />&nbsp;Also see: February 21, 2016
<b>Archive, Hanscom AFB Atmospheric Studies, 
Cambridge Research Lab</b>

<a rel="nofollow" href="http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2016/02/archive-usaf-atmospheric-studies-afcrl.html" title="Link: http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2016/02/archive-usaf-atmospheric-studies-afcrl.html">http://whatsupwiththatwatts.blogspot.com/2016/02/archive-usaf-atmospheric-studies-afcrl.html</a><br /><br />For the list, link to&nbsp;<a rel="nofollow" href="http://citizenschallenge.blogspot.com/2016/12/nonexpert-problem-why-we-can-be-sure.html" title="Link: http://citizenschallenge.blogspot.com/2016/12/nonexpert-problem-why-we-can-be-sure.html">http://citizenschallenge.blogspot.com/2016/12/nonexpert-problem-why-we-can-be-sure.html</a></blockquote><p><br /></p>]]>
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        <link>http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/discussion/159/deluded-deniers-at-wuwt-about-why-co2-emissions-growth-is-stabilising-and-what-it-means</link>
        <pubDate>Tue, 15 Nov 2016 07:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[There's a <a rel="nofollow" href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/11/deluded-deniers-at-wuwt-about-why-co2.html">new HotWhopper article</a> about the signs that CO2 emissions might finally be slowing or even no longer increasing (much).<br /><br /><blockquote>The <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.earth-syst-sci-data.net/8/605/2016/essd-8-605-2016.html" title="Link: http://www.earth-syst-sci-data.net/8/605/2016/essd-8-605-2016.html">2016 Global Carbon Budget paper</a> was published this week. The report is by sixty-seven people from all around the world. It is described as the "11th annual update of emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) and their partitioning among the atmosphere, land, and ocean. This data synthesis brings together measurements, statistical information, and analyses of model results in order to provide an assessment of the global carbon budget and their uncertainties for years 1959 to 2015, with a projection for year 2016".<br /><br />What the authors found was that carbon emissions dropped slightly in 2015, and are likely to increase only slightly this year. Over the last three years there has been almost no growth in emissions, which might be a sign that the world will soon see a decline in emissions - or not (if Donald Trump has his way).</blockquote><p>Read <a rel="nofollow" href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/11/deluded-deniers-at-wuwt-about-why-co2.html">the full article</a> here - which has some critique of the WUWT comments from deniers and conspiracy theorists.</p>]]>
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        <title>A view from Germany on Trump's America</title>
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        <pubDate>Thu, 10 Nov 2016 18:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>VictorVenema</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<a rel="nofollow" href="http://variable-variability.blogspot.de/2016/11/a-view-from-germany-on-trumps-america.html">A view from Germany on Trump's America</a> When it comes to climate change, this election was bad, but not as important than many suggest. I worry a lot of about freedom, human rights and democracy in the USA. Know your 1930s history.<br />]]>
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        <pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2016 02:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[Australian Senator Malcolm Roberts grandstanded at Parliament House this morning to show how he is wasting taxpayers' funds since he was appointed to the Senate. He is now being paid by Australians to continue his conspiracy theorising. He presented a&nbsp;<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.senatormalcolmroberts.com.au/csiro-report">42-page document</a>&nbsp;which can be paraphrased as "climate science is a hoax".<br /><br />Malcolm has changed from being&nbsp;<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/one-nation-senatorelect-malcolm-roberts-wrote-bizarre-sovereign-citizen-letter-to-julia-gillard-20160804-gqlesa.html" title="Link: http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/one-nation-senatorelect-malcolm-roberts-wrote-bizarre-sovereign-citizen-letter-to-julia-gillard-20160804-gqlesa.html">an anti-government "sovereign citizen"&nbsp;</a>to being a member of the Australian Senate, after getting a whole&nbsp;<a rel="nofollow" href="http://results.aec.gov.au/20499/Website/SenateStateFirstPrefs-20499-QLD.htm" title="Link: http://results.aec.gov.au/20499/Website/SenateStateFirstPrefs-20499-QLD.htm">77 primary votes</a>! (He only snuck in by being on Pauline Hanson's One Nation ticket.)<br /><br />Read more at the blog:&nbsp;<a rel="nofollow" href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/11/its-climate-conspiracy-on-unbelievable.html" title="Link: http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/11/its-climate-conspiracy-on-unbelievable.html">http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/11/its-climate-conspiracy-on-unbelievable.html</a>]]>
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        <link>http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/discussion/150/anthony-watts-is-hustling-off-to-agu16-to-stalk-scientists-and-speculates-about-superwoman-sou</link>
        <pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2016 07:25:38 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[<div>A new blog article - I've not written one for a few days. <br /><br /><blockquote>For a break from the mass insanity that's taken hold in the USA, here's a short article about some insanity in climate conspiracy land.<br />Anthony Watts seems to be having some trouble getting enough people to pay him to go to this year's AGU Fall Meeting. &nbsp;He begged his readers to dip into their pocket again not once, but twice now. Other years he's got people giving him big amounts, but not so much this year when the average gift is around $20. (If you want to help him out you can donate by PayPal.)...</blockquote></div><div>You can read the rest if you want to:<br /><a rel="nofollow" href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/11/anthony-watts-is-hustling-off-to-agu16.html" title="Link: http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/11/anthony-watts-is-hustling-off-to-agu16.html">http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/11/anthony-watts-is-hustling-off-to-agu16.html</a><br /></div><div><br /></div>]]>
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        <link>http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/discussion/147/where-are-the-clowns</link>
        <pubDate>Sun, 23 Oct 2016 05:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Sou</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[The latest blog article is a bit of a fizzer. I'm feeling despondent and it probably shows:&nbsp;<a rel="nofollow" href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/10/where-are-clowns.html">Where are the clowns?</a><br /><br />Perhaps I should take heart <a rel="nofollow" href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/10/important-climate-milestones.html" title="Link: http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/10/important-climate-milestones.html">from the wins</a> of the past month or so.]]>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 18 Oct 2016 06:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[<div>Initially I thought there'd been a continuous run of 12 hottest months however June 16 was revised down, so there's an interruption in the series. It's still by far the hottest 12 months on record (October 15 to September 16), and not just because of the El Nino.<br /><br />From the <a rel="nofollow" href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/10/12-hottest-months-in-row-just-hottest.html">blog article</a>:<br /><blockquote><div>According to GISS NASA, the average global surface temperature anomaly for September was 0.91 °C, which is just 0.01 °C higher than the previous hottest September in 2014.<br />The average for the eight months to the end of September is 1.03 °C, which is 0.23 °C higher than the previous hottest January to September period in 2015, which with the latest data had an anomaly of 0.80 °C.</div></blockquote></div><div>There are lots of charts. Here's the one tracking whether it will be another record hot year - almost certainly it will:<br /><img alt="" src="http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/uploads/editor/sd/net23j2doomk.png" /><br /></div>]]>
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        <pubDate>Tue, 11 Oct 2016 07:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[From the blog:<br /><blockquote>A few days ago an astute reader wrote to me, asking if I knew why the RSS historical temperatures for the lower atmosphere varied month to month. I in turn asked Dr Carl Mears, who is the scientist behind the RSS temperature analysis (among other things).<br />To see what changes month to month, compare the charts for RSS TLT v3.3, which is just of the lower troposphere. The data is from that provided in November 2013, March 2016, July 2016 and October 2016:</blockquote><br /><a rel="nofollow" href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/10/anthony-watts-makes-huge-fuss-about.html" title="Link: http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/10/anthony-watts-makes-huge-fuss-about.html">Anthony Watts makes a huge fuss about miniscule changes in atmospheric temperature data</a><br /><br />This is what his fuss is all about - the chart below shows the data provided in different months. See if you can spot the difference.<br /><br /><img src="http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/uploads/editor/cr/kfe4wrxgb1yi.png" alt="" title="Image: http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/uploads/editor/cr/kfe4wrxgb1yi.png" /><br />]]>
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        <pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2016 09:37:13 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[The latest revelations about Donald Trump's disgust for women has dominated the headlines the last 24 hours. Not so much at WUWT though. Anthony Watts published 16 (at least) articles about Hurricane Matthew, but none since the devastation it caused. Instead he's gone back to silly stuff from Tim Ball and other deniers. The latest is from Andy May, who shows no capability when it comes to critical thinking. He's not a bad fake sceptic though. In the absence of anything better to do (not really), I've <a rel="nofollow" href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/10/uncritical-thinking-about-climate.html" title="Link: http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/10/uncritical-thinking-about-climate.html">written about</a> his article. Or some of it.<br /><br /><a rel="nofollow" href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/10/uncritical-thinking-about-climate.html" title="Link: http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/10/uncritical-thinking-about-climate.html">Uncritical thinking about climate change, from Andy May and WUWT fans</a><br />]]>
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        <link>http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/discussion/114/another-wuwt-doozy-from-christopher-monckton-infowars-and-wuwt</link>
        <pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2016 18:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Sou</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<p>From the <a rel="nofollow" href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/09/its-doozy-week-at-wuwt-with-christopher.html">latest HotWhopper article</a> about Christopher Monckton's latest fake scam calls and InfoWars:</p><p>I call woo. BS. More batshit crazy from Anthony Watts and Christopher Monckton.<br /><a rel="nofollow"></a><br />Christopher&nbsp;<a rel="nofollow" href="https://archive.is/UGBDI#selection-647.0-651.396">wrote</a>, hinting in his conspiratorial fashion that he just knows there must be nefarious goings on in the world of climate science:<br /></p><blockquote><div>It remains to be seen whether the public authorities, as they gradually awaken to the reality that “global warming” is not a global crisis but a global scam, will follow up reports they have received of fraudulent misrepresentation by climate “scientists” in academic papers.</div></blockquote>]]>
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        <title>Hurricanes Matthew and Nicole</title>
        <link>http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/discussion/134/hurricanes-matthew-and-nicole</link>
        <pubDate>Fri, 07 Oct 2016 08:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[I've added to the numerous articles on the Internet about Hurricane Matthew (and Nicole). It's got links to primary data sources for hurricane info, plus links to several other articles, as well as a bit about what the science deniers are saying. There is also a link to how you can support relief and recovery efforts in Haiti (in particular).<br /><br /><a rel="nofollow" href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/10/hurricanes-matthew-and-nicole.html">Hurricanes Matthew and Nicole</a><br /><br /><img src="http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/uploads/editor/wv/qhjy0gljnuwq.png" alt="" title="Image: http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/uploads/editor/wv/qhjy0gljnuwq.png" /><br />]]>
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        <title>Deniers against nature at WUWT with Andy May</title>
        <link>http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/discussion/93/deniers-against-nature-at-wuwt-with-andy-may</link>
        <pubDate>Wed, 14 Sep 2016 18:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Sou</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[From the intro to the latest <a rel="nofollow" href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/09/deniers-against-nature-at-wuwt-with.html" title="Link: http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/09/deniers-against-nature-at-wuwt-with.html">HotWhopper blog article</a>:<br /><br /><blockquote>Anthony Watts has posted a puff piece at WUWT (archived&nbsp;<a rel="nofollow" href="https://archive.is/IhAAW" title="Link: https://archive.is/IhAAW">here</a>). In it Andy May says how he wants a world without nature, or at least that's the subtext. What puzzles me is what on earth is it that deniers find so enticing about ridding the world of the abundance of amazing, wondrous flora and fauna? What is it that makes people so irate about having to share the planet with other species?</blockquote>]]>
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        <title>Barmy bloopers from John Christy and co at WUWT seven years later</title>
        <link>http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/discussion/120/barmy-bloopers-from-john-christy-and-co-at-wuwt-seven-years-later</link>
        <pubDate>Fri, 23 Sep 2016 04:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Sou</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[From <a rel="nofollow" href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/09/barmy-bloopers-from-john-christy-and-co.html" title="Link: http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/09/barmy-bloopers-from-john-christy-and-co.html">the HotWhopper article</a>:<br /><br />...&nbsp;I was only mildly surprised to find that John Christy has co-authored an article for some disinformation purpose. His co-authors are, wait for it,&nbsp;<a rel="nofollow" href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2013/06/joseph-daleo-fails-meteorology-101-on.html" title="Link: http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2013/06/joseph-daleo-fails-meteorology-101-on.html">Joe D'Aleo</a>&nbsp;(would you believe) and James P Wallace III. Joe is in cahoots with Anthony Watts on his dormant or defunct&nbsp;<a rel="nofollow" href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2015/07/irony-alert-open-atmospheric-society.html">Open Atmospheric Society</a>. This trio wrote an article protesting the EPA's seven year old&nbsp;<a rel="nofollow" href="https://www3.epa.gov/climatechange/endangerment/" title="Link: https://www3.epa.gov/climatechange/endangerment/">Endangerment and Cause or Contribute Findings for Greenhouse Gases under the Clean Air Act</a>. Yep. Seven years it's been out, and it's taken this mob all that time to come up with an angle they think might fly. Or might fly with the scientific illiterati at any rate.<br /><br />...What they claim is:<br /><ul><li>it's not&nbsp;<b>really&nbsp;</b>warmed, or not significantly.</li><li>it's the sun (based on cumulative TSI - what the heck did they do there?)</li><li>it's El Nino (based on cumulative MEI - what the heck did they do there?).</li></ul><div>I mean, seriously?&nbsp;</div>]]>
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        <title>Climate Science Denial: A rational activity built on incoherence and conspiracy theories</title>
        <link>http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/discussion/122/climate-science-denial-a-rational-activity-built-on-incoherence-and-conspiracy-theories</link>
        <pubDate>Sat, 24 Sep 2016 12:55:12 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[I've written some about the <a rel="nofollow" href="http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11229-016-1198-6" title="Link: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11229-016-1198-6">new (open access) paper</a> by Stephan Lewandowsky, John Cook and Elisabeth Lloyd, which Contrail Chook <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/discussion/119/lewandowsky-and-friends-have-a-new-paper-out">mentioned</a> recently: The ‘Alice in Wonderland’ mechanics of the rejection of (climate) science: simulating coherence by conspiracism.<br /><br />The HotWhopper article is more about the reactions from the denialati, whose protests include logical fallacies, conspiracy ideation, and science denial - anything to avoid addressing the paper itself.<br /><ul><li><a rel="nofollow" href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/09/climate-science-denial-rational.html" title="Link: http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/09/climate-science-denial-rational.html">Climate Science Denial: A rational activity built on incoherence and conspiracy theories</a></li></ul>]]>
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        <title>More denier weird - splicing Greenland onto global temperatures to hide the incline</title>
        <link>http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/discussion/113/more-denier-weird-splicing-greenland-onto-global-temperatures-to-hide-the-incline</link>
        <pubDate>Wed, 21 Sep 2016 07:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[Anthony Watts approves of fakery and fudging on his own blog, while falsely accusing scientists of doing what he does.&nbsp;Anyway, this article is about a completely nonsensical cartoon from Josh in a silly protest at the excellent cartoon by xkcd.<br /><br /><a rel="nofollow" href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/09/another-exceptional-doozy-from-wuwt.html" title="Link: http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/09/another-exceptional-doozy-from-wuwt.html">Another exceptional doozy from WUWT - physically impossible global temperatures!</a><br /><br /><br />]]>
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        <title>Second lowest Arctic sea ice minimum</title>
        <link>http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/discussion/109/second-lowest-arctic-sea-ice-minimum</link>
        <pubDate>Sun, 18 Sep 2016 08:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[This year the Arctic sea ice reached the second lowest minimum ever recorded. The second lowest if you judge by daily extent, the equal second lowest using NSIDC's five day average. The climate hoax conspiracy theorists at WUWT are doing their best to downplay this, although they are finding it an uphill battle. Anthony Watts and Paul Homewood have done a fair <a rel="nofollow" href="http://denialdepot.blogspot.com.au/2012/09/ice-age-alert-unprecedented-arctic-sea.html" title="Link: http://denialdepot.blogspot.com.au/2012/09/ice-age-alert-unprecedented-arctic-sea.html">imitation of Denial Depot</a>.<br /><br />I've put up an article about this at the HW Blog:&nbsp;<a rel="nofollow" href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/09/one-of-fastest-arctic-sea-ice-growths.html" title="Link: http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/09/one-of-fastest-arctic-sea-ice-growths.html">One of the fastest Arctic sea ice growths on record!</a>]]>
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        <title>Constraining Climate Contrarians</title>
        <link>http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/discussion/105/constraining-climate-contrarians</link>
        <pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2016 20:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>dcpetterson</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[A new, very short, very straightforward DK blog post about a vital study not a lot of people know about.<br /><br /><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/9/16/1571046/-Constraining-Climate-Contrarians?_=2016-09-16T13:49:10.546-07:00">Constraining Climate Contrarians</a>&nbsp;- the papers published by the Denier Industrial Complex are nonsense. There is no other explanation for what is happening to the Earth.<br /><br />(I should make it plain -- "OutOnALimb" is me.)]]>
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        <title>Obama on Climate Change: The Trends Are ‘Terrifying’</title>
        <link>http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/discussion/79/obama-on-climate-change-the-trends-are-terrifying</link>
        <pubDate>Thu, 08 Sep 2016 13:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>GSR</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/08/us/politics/obama-climate-change.html?emc=edit_th_20160908&amp;nl=todaysheadlines&amp;nlid=50137010" title="Link: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/08/us/politics/obama-climate-change.html?emc=edit_th_20160908&amp;nl=todaysheadlines&amp;nlid=50137010">President Obama's climate briefings are terrifying</a>]]>
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        <title>Potholer has a new video</title>
        <link>http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/discussion/91/potholer-has-a-new-video</link>
        <pubDate>Tue, 13 Sep 2016 20:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>tadaaa</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[<span data-youtube="youtube-qEylCS6-hBE?autoplay=1"><a rel="nofollow" href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEylCS6-hBE"><img src="https://img.youtube.com/vi/qEylCS6-hBE/0.jpg" width="640" height="385" border="0" alt="image" /></a></span>]]>
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        <title>"The Climate's Changed Before" - helpful infographic courtesy of XKCD</title>
        <link>http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/discussion/86/the-climates-changed-before-helpful-infographic-courtesy-of-xkcd</link>
        <pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2016 18:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Ribbit74</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[This is brilliant. <br />Of course the climate HAS changed before, but over vastly longer timescales, and this chart actually shows a thorough timeline of earth's temperature since the last ice age *to scale*!<br /><br /><a href="http://xkcd.com/1732/" rel="nofollow">http://xkcd.com/1732/</a><br /><br />]]>
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        <title>Bob Fernley-Jones mixed up article on coral reefs</title>
        <link>http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/discussion/81/bob-fernley-jones-mixed-up-article-on-coral-reefs</link>
        <pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2016 15:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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        <description><![CDATA[Bob&nbsp;Fernley-Jones has written a blatantly denialist article complaining about an article published last April at The Conversation. What it boils down to is that Bob doesn't understand the article at the Conversation, and that he is willing to trash leading scientists in order to make himself look like a hero at WUWT. Here's a link to the HotWhopper reaction:&nbsp;<a rel="nofollow" href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/09/bob-fernley-jones-fixation-on-hot.html" title="Link: http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/09/bob-fernley-jones-fixation-on-hot.html">Bob Fernley-Jones' fixation on hot Marches toward coral bleaching</a><br />]]>
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        <title>Willis Eschenbach turfs science</title>
        <link>http://www.hotwhopper.com/chat/discussion/64/willis-eschenbach-turfs-science</link>
        <pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2016 00:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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        <dc:creator>Sou</dc:creator>
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        <description><![CDATA[Willis Eschenbach used to boast about how he had published papers in E&amp;E (not a good look) and Nature (where he got a comment in that wasn't thought too highly of by experts in the field). Still, he clearly used to think of himself as being able to "do science". His blog articles that I've seen shows that he has an awful lot to learn. Today he said he's given up on science and is taking up ridicule instead. He doesn't fare well in that regard either.<br /><br />Here's my take on what he's written:<br /><ul><li><a rel="nofollow" href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/09/is-there-any-difference-between-willis.html" title="Link: http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/09/is-there-any-difference-between-willis.html">Is there any difference between Willis Eschenbach's head and his feet?</a></li></ul><div>He seems to be shifting between two denier stages:<br /><ul><li>Climate science is a hoax, and</li><li>If it's not a hoax, there's nothing we can do about it.</li></ul>His effort is half hearted, with a few straw men and other logical fallacies and inconsistencies. I guess he's got so much invested in denial that he's nowhere left to turn. He shouted a bit, which suggests frustration - anyway, you can <a rel="nofollow" href="http://blog.hotwhopper.com/2016/09/is-there-any-difference-between-willis.html">read about it for yourself</a> if you want to.</div>]]>
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